[R] [off-topic] crossword

Fri Dec 13 22:12:14 CET 2024

Not to beat a dead horse, but if they wanted an answer of CODES, then why not use S instead of R in the …

From: Bill Dunlap <williamwdunlap using gmail.com> 
Sent: Friday, December 13, 2024 3:47 PM
To: avi.e.gross using gmail.com
Cc: Olivier Crouzet <olivier.crouzet using univ-nantes.fr>; r-help using r-project.org
Subject: Re: [R] [off-topic] crossword

Crossword answers have to be drop-in replacements for the clue in a sentence.  Hence replacing

   "She writes in C and R, say."

with

   "She codes"

would work, but "She coder" would not.

(If one interpreted C and R as the names of third party candidates for office, then "She votes" would work,

but the across words made "codes" a more reasonable answer.)

I was impressed that they expected the typical NYT reader to know that R was a programming language.

-Bill

On Fri, Dec 13, 2024 at 11:40 AM <avi.e.gross using gmail.com <mailto:avi.e.gross using gmail.com> > wrote:

Since this is a discussion about a specific crossword puzzle the right answer has to fit with any words coming in from the other direction or it gets cross.

I thought the clue hinted it started with C and ended with R and that the languages were chosen for no reason other than that they helped make a clue. It would otherwise be equally valid to choose COBOL and RUST. This has nothing specific about R, or C, for that matter. Anyone who writes code for computers in any language can be called a CODER.

But since CODES and CODER and many other words like PRINT may make sense, it still can be necessary to have it fit the crossword puzzle. Since it mentioned R and not it's cousin S, I think CODER is more likely the answer than CODES.

Not that it changes our lives in the slightest way. I suspect people who are dedicated cruciverbalists need not know anything about the C and R languages or even programming in general. They are supposed to figure out it is an ODE between C and R.

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Thank you all for the helpful and enlightening comments. One question
though, isn't "say" a synonym in oral forms of american english for
"for example"? Which would translate to:

> Writes in C or R, [for example]. 

which would involve that C and R are possible examples of the usage
contexts considered here in which someone would "write"?

This would then make perfect sense to me for the proposed answer:
"codes".

Yours.
Olivier.

On Fri, 13 Dec 2024
08:02:32 +0000 CALUM POLWART <polc1410 using gmail.com <mailto:polc1410 using gmail.com> > wrote:

> Well to complicate things, I don't think RULES is the answer.
> 
> This is a cryptic crossword clue. They usually contain the answer
> twice (well... Cryptically!!)
> 
> Writes in C or R, say.
> 
> I think the answer is CODER
> 
> If you look up the definition of say in the dictionary one option is:
> 
> 
> 
>    1. give instructions to or direct somebody to do something with
>    authority (verb)
> 
> 
> That's the simple part of the clue. (Notice the comma cryptic clues
> have two parts giving the "same" answer)
> 
> The more complex part I think is  that and 'ode' (a poem that is
> written like it is said or something) is written in between C and R
> giving C ODE R,
> 
> ...
> 
> 
> Very happy to be corrected...
> 
> 
> (Oh and as a third part a coder writes in C or R... I hope the
> JavaScript kids are listening ;-) )
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> On Fri, 13 Dec 2024, 04:26 Ebert,Timothy Aaron, <tebert using ufl.edu <mailto:tebert using ufl.edu> >
> wrote:
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> > I do not understand the question and I do not understand the answer.
> > Possibly one confounds the other.
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> > Hodgess Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2024 11:56 AM
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> > On Thu, Dec 12, 2024 at 9:42 AM Bill Dunlap
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> > > The New York Times crossword this morning had the clue (51 down, 5
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