[R] R-help mailing list activity / R-not-help?

[Oliver Keyes]

Sorry, poor phrasing on my part; on the occasions where someone is
rude, all I see is...

I agree the public cautioning should be done by moderators, yes.

On 25 January 2016 at 16:13, Duncan Murdoch <murdoch.duncan at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 25/01/2016 3:33 PM, Hasan Diwan wrote:
>>
>> There exists a fine line between being unintentionally rude, but helpful
>> and purposely putting someone down. -- H
>
>
> I'm afraid I don't think your point is relevant.  I didn't claim all the
> people who were rude did it unintentionally.  However,  I don't know anyone
> on the list who is always rude and never helpful. Oliver claimed almost
> everyone is like that.
>
> I actually agree with a weaker version of John's proposal (which I cut out
> of my reply to Oliver).  I can imagine a public reprimand from one of the
> moderators would be appropriate.  It would never be appropriate from general
> list members; that's what leads to flame wars.
>
> I'm not a moderator, so I would not publicly "remind the poster to reply in
> a more moderate tone", and neither should you (unless you're a moderator).
> It would be much better if one or both of us posted a more helpful response
> when we saw a rude, unhelpful one.
>
> Duncan Murdoch
>
>
>>
>> On 25 January 2016 at 12:07, Duncan Murdoch <murdoch.duncan at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > On 25/01/2016 2:45 PM, Oliver Keyes wrote:
>> >
>> >> I disagree, and would argue that fails to take a systemic view of this
>> >> kind of behaviour.
>> >>
>> >> If individual commentators are acerbic and are only privately
>> >> reprimanded, from the perspective of everyone else it looks like the
>> >> acerbic reply was A-OK. Someone said something unnecessarily hostile
>> >> and the response was...nada. That creates an environment where there
>> >> are no clear examples of what crosses a line and no clear expectation
>> >> that moderation is even a thing that happens. Indeed, I was shocked to
>> >> discover this list _was_ moderated precisely because all I see is
>> >> people being mean and nothing much else happening.
>> >>
>> >
>> > Why would you bother to read it if that's all you see?  I think there
>> > are
>> > examples of posts here which are not at all helpful, and others which
>> > are
>> > rude, but the majority are actually helpful (even some of the rude
>> > ones).
>> >
>> > Duncan Murdoch
>> >
>> >
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