[R] Outlook does threading

Kimpel, Mark William mkimpel at iupui.edu
Thu Feb 1 01:25:27 CET 2007

See below for Bert Gunter's off list reply to me (which I do
appreciate). I'm putting it back on the list because it seems there is
still confusion regarding the difference between threading and sorting
by subject. I thought the example I will give below will serve as
instructional for other Outlook users who may be similarly confused as I
was (am?). 

Per Bert's instructions, I just set up my inbox to sort by subject. I
sent one email to myself with the subject "test1" and then replied to it
without changing the subject. The reply correctly went to "test1" in the
inbox sorter. I then changed the subject heading in the test1 reply to
"test2" and sent it to myself. This time Outlook re-categorized it and
put it in a separate compartment in the view called "test2".

If Outlook can do threading the way the R mail server does, I don't
think this is the way to do it.

Unless someone has an idea of how to correctly set up Outlook to do
threading in the manner that the R mail server does, I think the message
for us Outlook users is to just create, from scratch, a new message when
initiating a new subject.

Thanks for all your help. 


-----Original Message-----
From: Bert Gunter [mailto:gunter.berton at gene.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 7:03 PM
To: Kimpel, Mark William
Subject: Outlook does threading


No need to bother the R list with this. Outlook does threading. Just
sort on
Subject in the viewer.

Bert Gunter
Genentech Nonclinical Statistics
South San Francisco, CA 94404

-----Original Message-----
From: r-help-bounces at stat.math.ethz.ch
[mailto:r-help-bounces at stat.math.ethz.ch] On Behalf Of Kimpel, Mark
Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 3:36 PM
To: Peter Dalgaard
Cc: r-help at stat.math.ethz.ch; bioconductor at stat.math.ethz.ch
Subject: Re: [R] possible spam alert


Thanks you for your explanation, I had taken Mr. Connolly's message to
me to imply that I was not changing the subject line. I use MS Outlook
2007 and, unless I am just not seeing it, Outlook does not normally
display the "in reply to" header, I was under the mistaken impression
that that was what the Subject line was for. See, for example, the
header to your message to me below. Outlook will, however, sort messages
by Subject, and that is what I thought was meant by threading.

Well, I learned something today and apologize for any inconvenience my
posts may have caused.

BTW, I use Outlook because it is supported by my university server and
will synch my appointments and contacts with my PDA, which runs Windows
CE. If anyone has a suggestion for me of a better email program that
will provide proper threading AND work with a MS email server and synch
with Windows CE, I'd love to hear it.

Thanks again,


Mark W. Kimpel MD 


(317) 490-5129 Work, & Mobile


(317) 663-0513 Home (no voice mail please)

1-(317)-536-2730 FAX

-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Dalgaard [mailto:p.dalgaard at biostat.ku.dk] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 6:25 PM
To: Kimpel, Mark William
Cc: bioconductor at stat.math.ethz.ch; r-help at stat.math.ethz.ch
Subject: Re: [R] possible spam alert

Kimpel, Mark William wrote:
> The last two times I have originated message threads on R or
> Bioconductor I have received the message included below from someone
> named Patrick Connolly. Both times I was the originator of the message
> thread and used what I thought was a unique subject line that
> as best I could what my question was. Patrick seems to be implying
> I am abusing the R and BioC help newsgroups in this fashion. 
> When I emailed him to give me a specific example, he did not reply.
> most recent thread that he seems concerned about was to the R list and
> was entitled "regexpr and parsing question" . I believe the previous
> post of mine that he had problems with was to the BioC list but I
> remember its subject.
> Is this spam?
No. Breach of netiquette, yes.

The message in question starts a new thread, yet contains an 
In-Reply-To: header line, which presumably means that you started 
writing the message as a reply to something completely unrelated, 
specifically: "Re: [R] change plotting symbol for groups in trellis 
graph". You should not do that, unless you know how to remove the 
In-Reply-To line (and this is not obvious in many mail clients); 
changing the subject is not sufficient.
> If I am doing this correctly, you should see the subject "possible
> alert" in the subject header of THIS message.
> Would the moderators of the lists please check and see if I am doing
> some wrong and, if not, inform Mr. Connolly that I am not. If others
> have received this message in error, it is possible it is spam and
> should be alerted.
> Thanks,
> Mark
> Mark W. Kimpel MD 
> Official Business Address:
> Department of Psychiatry
> Indiana University School of Medicine
> PR M116
> Institute of Psychiatric Research
> 791 Union Drive
> Indianapolis, IN 46202
> This is a request to anyone who starts a new subject to begin with a
> message and NOT reply to an existing one.  If your mail client is any
> good, it's very simple to set up an alias (mine is simply 'r') so that
> the tedious task of typing 'r-help at stat.math.ethz.ch' is unnecessary
> it's quicker than scrolling through an address book.
> It's also quicker than deleting the previous subject.
> Most mornings, I have over a screenful of messages mostly from R-help
> and it's very useful to have them threaded.  However, the usefulness
> threading is lost when posters reply to a message and then change the
> subject instead of creating a new message.
> People who don't have a mail client that can display email in threads
> are probably unaware that this sort of thing can happen in ones that
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> As Martin Maechler explained some time ago, it also screws up the
> archives for a similar reason.
> Your cooperation will be greatly appreciated.
> best

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