[R] Forum of Mac questions (Was: loading packages - mac user)

[stefano iacus]

On 19/ott/05, at 13:36, Martin Maechler wrote:

>>>>>> "BDR" == Prof Brian Ripley <ripley at stats.ox.ac.uk>
>>>>>>     on Wed, 19 Oct 2005 08:58:20 +0100 (BST) writes:
>>>>>>
>
>     BDR> On Wed, 19 Oct 2005, Jari Oksanen wrote:
>
>>> On Tue, 2005-10-18 at 13:13 -0700, Thomas Lumley wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Both for this and for working out why Tcl/Tk isn't
>>>> installed you might be better off trying R-sig-mac
>>>> rather than r-help
>>>>
>>>>
>>>  This is a very common piece of advice. However, this is
>>> not what you would imagine if you read the description of
>>> R-SIG-mac on the R home page:
>>>
>
>     BDR> It is not actually on the R home page or even on
>     BDR> www.r-project.org.  I think you mean
>
>     BDR> https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-sig-mac
>
>     BDR> This arises because the purpose of the list has changed
>     BDR> from
>
>     BDR>    R Special Interest Group on Macintosh Development
>     BDR> and Porting, both for MacOS 8.6 - 9.x and MacOS X
>
>     BDR> I think a wording like R-sig-debian namely
>
>     BDR>    R Special Interest Group for MacOS X ports of R

Brian's definition  seems appropriate to me nowadays

and the (extended) disclaimer should include both development issues  
specific to OS X (ports, etc) and user feedback on R.app GUI (we  
don't want R.app bugs go into the R-bugs list), but NOT general R- 
help topics which should go to R-help indeed.

I think we should keep the devel part in R-sig-Mac.

I'm including Simon Urbanek and waiting for some reaction before  
"taking actions" on R-sig-mac.

stefano


>
>     BDR> would be better.
>
> yes, thank you both  ---- IFF this is really the intention.
>
> Stefano Iacus is the maintainer (and initiator) of the list
> and should say (and maybe ask on the R-SIG-Mac list) what he
> (and the subscribers) really wants.
>
>
>>> R-SIG-Mac R Special Interest Group on Mac Development
>>>
>>> This is very similar to the description of R-devel:
>>>
>>> This list is intended for questions and discussion about
>>> code development in R.
>>>
>>> And that description is even more intimidating when you
>>> read further:
>>>
>>> Questions likely to prompt discussion unintelligible to
>>> non-programmers or topics that are too technical for
>>> R-help's audience should go to R-devel
>>>
>>> Would it make sense to change the description of
>>> R-SIG-mac so that it would welcome question on R usage in
>>> Mac, instead of being a "Mac Devolepment" forum that
>>> sounds like being "unintelligible to non-programmers"?
>>>
>
>     BDR> Which seems quite reasonable to me.  The topics which
>     BDR> provoke this response usually are questions
>     BDR> unintelligible except to Mac sysadmins/programmers and
>     BDR> definitely `too technical for R-help's audience'.
>
> I agree.  We shouldn't let R users on the Mac think that all
> their questions should go to R-SIG-Mac.
> Regular R questions should continue to come to R-help (or
> R-devel) just as per the posting guide.
>
> Martin Maechler
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